The broadsheets are having a field day over yesterday's encounter between Darcus Howe and Joan Rivers on Radio 4's Midweek - without getting into any of the arguments and their merits themselves of course. Here is the transcript in question:
Darcus Howe: I have been persecuted by everyone. I have to educate my wife about black people.
Joan Rivers: I’m so bored with race.
DH What are you talking about?
JR Race doesn’t mean a damn thing. It’s about people.
DH There are thousands of . . . let’s say “Caribbean” children since “black” offends Joan . . .
JR Just stop right now. Black does not offend me. How dare you? How dare you say that? Black offends me? You know nothing about me, you just sat down here, how dare you?
DH The use of the term black offends you.
JR The use of the term black offends me? Where the hell are you coming from? You’ve got such a chip on your shoulder. I don’t give a damn if you’re black or white.
DH I do.
JR I couldn’t care less, it’s what the person is. Don’t you dare call me a racist. I want an apology.
Libby Purves I don’t think he meant it personally.
JR I think it was.
DH (to Rivers) You have a language problem.
JR No I don’t. You had a child, you left them. Your wife said you weren’t there. You deserted them. Now your son comes back, you got problems. Where were you when he was growing up?
DH May I continue?
JR Don’t you dare call me a racist. How dare you?
LP I have great sympathy with both sides but I’m starting to feel like Oprah.
JR Both sides?! I abhor racists. Don’t you dare call me that . . . son of a bitch. (Pause)
LP Right, Darcus . . .
JR Yes, please continue with this wonderful father who left his children.
LP Darcus, can we just say that you don’t think Joan is a racist?
DH I don’t know whether she is a racist or not. I don’t care. Normally I wouldn’t ever meet you in my life.
JR No, normally I wouldn’t choose to meet you.
DH No, she’s not a racist.
JR Now we can talk about his stupid film.
DH I don’t think you brought me here to be insulted.
JR Nor did I come here to be insulted by someone, to be called a racist.
LP Andrea, shall we talk about plant photography?
Andrea Jones Please.
Here's Libby Purves' own account. Here's the Telegraph leader. This is The Times report. This is the Guardian's. This is the Telegraph's, and their review.
You can listen to the whole show here. Or just the clip, via the Guardian, here.
Later - now BBC News has got in on the act.